Friday, December 10, 2010

Climate Change Conference attendees vote to ban Dihydrogen Monoxide

This is like the old manufacturing/trucking joke where you send a rookie employee after the board stretcher.  Or ask him to go get the left-handed monkey wrench.  Or ask him to change out the spark plugs on a diesel engine.  Or bring back a bucket of grinder sparks. 
(I once sent a driver to Home Depot to get cans of Dehydrated Water.  It worked beautifully.  His supervisor called me about an hour later, asking what the hell was I doing to her driver.  We laughed for days.) 
Anyway, here are some people from CFACT asking Climate Change Conference attendees to sign a petition banning Dihydrogen Monoxide.  That would be H2O.  Water. 
In the first few minutes, they also get some signatures on a petition calling for the immediate "destabilization of the U.S. economy". 
They'll sign anything, as long as it's green and wholesome. 
Enjoy. 

11 comments:

Dick Stanley said...

That's funny. Not surprising, but still funny. But, then, water vapor is the No. 1 greenhouse gas. CO2 is merely No. 2. Altho if one were to ban water vapor, things would get even drier than they normally are in the winter. With hangnails galore.

CharlieDelta said...

That is absolutely hilarious! Not too many IQ points for that group, eh? The board stretcher line had me crackin' up. I used to work at Home Depot and we would use that on the FNG's. Either that or we would send them to aisle 51 (there were only 50) to find the "nail straightener". Of course most of the floor employees were in on the joke and played it for as long as possible. People really are stupid!

Pretty Peapod said...

Oh my goodness, that is funny! Hopefully they are doing this as a joke, like getting women to protest women's suffrage!

Also, loving the 100 yr record cancun lows! They tried to run from God's sense of humor after the Copenhagen frosts, but they forgot that God can travel, and has a great sense of humor!

"the seaside Mexican city plunged to a 100-year record low of 54° F."

The Whited Sepulchre said...

Pretty P.,
I saw that about the weather in Cancun, but I don't want to do too many Climate Change/Warming/Cooling/Scam stories in a row.
But if there is a God, she has a GREAT sense of humor.

Cedric Katesby said...

NASA: 2010 Meteorological Year Warmest Ever

by Eli Kintisch on 10 December 2010

"New data from NASA show that the global warming trend continues, with 2010 as the hottest year on record. Missing Arctic sea ice may be contributing to the warming.

The 2010 meteorological year, which ended on 30 November, was the warmest in NASA's 130-year record, data posted by the agency today shows. Over the oceans as well as on land, the average global temperature for the 12-month period that began last December was 14.65˚C. That's 0.65˚C warmer than the average global temperature between 1951 and 1980, a period scientists use as a basis for comparison.

The 2010 meteorological year was slightly warmer than the previous warmest year, the 2005 calendar year, when the average temperature was 14.53˚C.

In 2010, temperatures measured over land alone were also the warmest ever, with instruments showing a December-November average of 14.85˚C. Combining this warming with above-average ocean temperatures led to the global average of 14.65˚C.

November brought frigid temperatures to certain areas of Europe. But the data, compiled by the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City, show that, globally, last month was the warmest November ever recorded, nearly 0.96˚C warmer than the 1951 to 1980 average for the month.

According to NASA climatologist and Goddard director James Hansen, the main driver for the increased warmth was the Arctic, where temperatures in Hudson Bay were "10˚C above normal" for November. That month, Hansen says, "sea ice was absent while normally that [body of water] is covered by sea ice." Water devoid of ice absorbs much more solar radiation than water covered with ice, which reflects much of the radiation back toward space.

The record temperatures occurred despite a moderate occurrence of La Niña, a phenomenon over the Pacific Ocean that tends to lead to cooler temperatures at the surface, affecting the global mean."
(link)

The Whited Sepulchre said...

Cedric,
NASA is a government agency.

Cedric Katesby said...

NASA is a government agency.

Allen, the science isn't going away.
Coming up with a glib rationalization to ignore it doesn't work.
Even to you, such an excuse must seem hollow and unsatisfying.

We Never Went to the Moon: America's Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle By Bill Kaysing

(Chptr 2: US Government Experience in secret operations.
Chptr 4: The Apollo Progect as Political Expediency)


Look at the science.
Look at the the sources of information that you are forced to use in order to prop up your chosen narrative.
They are awful.

Blogs, newspaper articles and books by crazy people.

Do you know why you avoid using the word "conspiracy"?
That's because there's a part of you, deep down, that knows that a global conspiracy involving all of the world's scientific communities and covering all of the physical sciences over many decades is...impossible.
You use the word "scam" and "hoax" because somehow they seem slightly more reasonable.
Somehow.
Yet, ultimately, it's six of one and half-a-dozen of the other.

Asking questions about the Earth's climate is not a political stunt.
Al Gore or whatever has nothing to do with anything.
Every time you post a fuzzy, mushy article, you end up avoiding the science. You are playing a game that others have told you to play. It's all a distraction.
Focus on reality.
Focus on the science.

Scientists study the climate.
That's their job.
You are shooting the messenger.

That HIV is the primary cause of AIDS is the strongly held consensus opinion of the scientific community, based upon over two decades of robust research. Deniers must therefore reject this consensus, either by denigrating the notion of scientific authority in general, or by arguing that the mainstream HIV community is intellectually compromised. It is therefore not surprising that much of the newer denial literature reflects a basic distrust of authority and of the institutions of science and medicine. In her book, Christine Maggiore thanks her father Robert, “who taught me to question authority and stand up for what's right”. Similarly, mathematical modeler Dr. Rebecca Culshaw, another HIV denier, states: “As someone who has been raised by parents who taught me from a young age never to believe anything just because ‘everyone else accepts it to be true,’ I can no longer just sit by and do nothing, thereby contributing to this craziness”
(Link)

Dick Stanley said...

The science is already going away and will go away further because it's mostly worthless me-tooism promulgated by university researchers eager to jump on the latest bandwagon that will supply them with the government grants they need for the research they need for tenure.

Science is very political. And no one is more political than Hansen, who even embarrasses NASA.

Cedric Katesby said...

The science is already going away and will go away further because it's mostly worthless me-tooism promulgated by university researchers eager to jump on the latest bandwagon that will supply them with the government grants they need for the research they need for tenure.

Yes, we know.
It's the "They are all in it for the money" gambit.

Deniers use this one all the time from the HIV deniers to the Moon-Landing deniers.
Claim CA321.1 at talkorigins.
and
We never went to the moon: America's Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle.-Bill Kaysing.


If a scientist gets a grant, then the scientist is corrupt.
Q.E.D.
Real scientists work for free and satellites grow on trees.
That's just the way it works.
Yep.

Science is very political.

Yes, science is politics.
It's all political.
You can't trust science.
You didn't come from no monkey!

Several motives are given by hoax proponents for the U.S. government to fake the Moon landings.

1.Cold War prestige

”The U.S. government considered it vital that the U.S. win the space race against the Soviet Union. Going to the Moon was risky and expensive (John F. Kennedy famously said that the U.S. chose to go because it was hard). Despite close monitoring by the Soviet Union, Bill Kaysing maintains that it would have been easier for the U.S. to fake it, and consequently guarantee success, than for the U.S. actually to go.

4.Distraction

According to hoax proponents, the U.S. government benefited from a popular distraction from the Vietnam war. Lunar activities suddenly stopped, with planned missions cancelled, around the same time that the U.S. ceased its involvement in the Vietnam War. (However, the Apollo program was cancelled several years before the Vietnam War ended.)

5.Delivering the promise

”To seemingly fulfill President Kennedy’s 1961 promise “to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the Earth.”

(link)


And no one is more political than Hansen, who even embarrasses NASA.

Smooth move.
Focus on a person, find a flaw (real or imagined) and then reject the science in the process.
Take down a person and you take down the whole science discipline.
Nice tactic.

Creationist do that with Darwin too.

Yes, it's somehow all about one man.
It's not about every single scientific community on the planet.
It's not about the multiple, different lines of evidence.
It's not about the scientific process and the hard work it demands.
Oh no.
It's all about one bloody person.
He's "The One".
The boogy man.
He's the secret puppet master that controls all of NASA and bends it to his diabolical will.

Fortunately for us all, you have inside information on this and can let us know the trooth.
We just need to take your word for this.
Thanks for sharing.

(Are you going to mention Al Gore as a follow-up? That's always a crowd pleaser. It just never gets old. Keep your eyes on the squirrel and forget the boring ol' sciency stuff.)

Cedric Katesby said...

The science is already going away and will go away further because it's mostly worthless me-tooism promulgated by university researchers eager to jump on the latest bandwagon that will supply them with the government grants they need for the research they need for tenure.

Yes, we know.
It's the "They are all in it for the money" gambit.

Deniers use this one all the time from the HIV deniers to the Moon-Landing deniers.
Claim CA321.1 at talkorigins.
and
We never went to the moon: America's Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle.-Bill Kaysing.


If a scientist gets a grant, then the scientist is corrupt.
Q.E.D.
Real scientists work for free and satellites grow on trees.
That's just the way it works.
Yep.

Science is very political.

Yes, science is politics.
It's all political.
You can't trust science.
You didn't come from no monkey!

Several motives are given by hoax proponents for the U.S. government to fake the Moon landings.

1.Cold War prestige

”The U.S. government considered it vital that the U.S. win the space race against the Soviet Union. Going to the Moon was risky and expensive (John F. Kennedy famously said that the U.S. chose to go because it was hard). Despite close monitoring by the Soviet Union, Bill Kaysing maintains that it would have been easier for the U.S. to fake it, and consequently guarantee success, than for the U.S. actually to go.

4.Distraction

According to hoax proponents, the U.S. government benefited from a popular distraction from the Vietnam war. Lunar activities suddenly stopped, with planned missions cancelled, around the same time that the U.S. ceased its involvement in the Vietnam War. (However, the Apollo program was cancelled several years before the Vietnam War ended.)

5.Delivering the promise

”To seemingly fulfill President Kennedy’s 1961 promise “to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the Earth.”

(link)


And no one is more political than Hansen, who even embarrasses NASA.

Smooth move.
Focus on a person, find a flaw (real or imagined) and then reject the science in the process.
Take down a person and you take down the whole science discipline.
Nice tactic.

Creationist do that with Darwin too.

Yes, it's somehow all about one man.
It's not about every single scientific community on the planet.
It's not about the multiple, different lines of evidence.
It's not about the scientific process and the hard work it demands.
Oh no.
It's all about one bloody person.
He's "The One".
The boogy man.
He's the secret puppet master that controls all of NASA and bends it to his diabolical will.

Fortunately for us all, you have inside information on this and can let us know the trooth.
We just need to take your word for this.
Thanks for sharing.

(Are you going to mention Al Gore as a follow-up? That's always a crowd pleaser. It just never gets old. Keep your eyes on the squirrel and forget the boring ol' sciency stuff.)

Cedric Katesby said...

Hmm.
Double-posted.
(Grrrr.)